Google maps

[bob]

Just going back to the small possible Barrow in Lowton, i had another look at it tonight,
i was unsure if it was something to do with field drains, so i have looked at it on the 1972 shot we have,
and with a great deal of clarifying there is still something there.
one for you she if your walking the dog over there, it is at the side of a footpath.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?t=h&hl=en ... 03428&z=18

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Bob

[bob]

Here is the biggest and last one for now, I am going to use the 1849 map, Google Earth, Msn Live Maps, the 1972 view we have, and Yahoo maps, plus a bit of PSP7 enhancement,
its was something I spotted only the other day, I have not run this by anyone yet, its a new one,
I posted a shot of the field in Old School Lane, Winwick, I mentioned that some features are visible on the 1972 picture, -

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The lines in the 72 section are very clear but what where they, maybe they where allotments during the war years, or maybe they are older and was a part of a long gone farm, I do not think they where cottages as they would have left a large dark mark, plus there would have been signs of paths or roads to each one, the only substantial feature seems to be in the middle of the horse pen, I have used a negative image in this shot, I myself think it makes the mark more clear.

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Now if you look at it from the north to south angle MSN live you get a platform appear at about the area where the square shape is, what could it be, maybe it was a cellar of an old house long gone, maybe its a septic tank!, the only way of finding out short of finding a map that shows something is to dig it, metal detecting would be a start -

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I myself would not dig it because it could be a well
so while having a good look on the old maps I noticed in the field above it, or to the north, a rounded field boundary,
now that took my eye as the rest are square!
Here is the 1849 section -

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Now going on to GE I took a snap and in psp7 tried to clarify and fade correct certain sections as you will see,
and what appears are very faint ground marks forming a very large circle, -

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Now using the 1893 OS map, no building is shown but strangely a footpath is shown running striaght to the square shape,
maybe it was a well, but I think most cottages had there own! -

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So going back to the 1849 map I drew with psp7 a circle using the rounded boundary to work from as a guide, -

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Ok to finish off here is the poor Yahoo shot, but marks can be made out on this occasionally where they can on on google,
then the 1972 just gamma enhanced,

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I hope I have got you thinking on this one, I have another suggestion Steve may like for the raised section,
could it have been where in 1642 at the end of the battle, it is reported that a 1,000 men where killed, and that some retreated to the church, maybe it was something to do with the missing 1,000 graves,
But if it was just the site of an old house destroyed at that time, I will still be happy that I have spotted something,
but that still would not explain the large circle would it.
Has anyone else spotted anything we could have a look at.
Bob

[bob]

I came across this genuine 1609 map of Ormskirk, and realized it would be 400 years old when the Google mapping was made,
so for demo purposes as to what you can do with MSN live mapping 3D i have tried to get the same angle, and if you look at the birds eye view in GM you can see that the area around the Church has not changed one bit in 400 years, if only we could find one of theses of Newton.
Bob

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[bob]

Russ, here is a better explanation as to where you can find the mark at ground level.
Bob

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[bob]

For anyone interested in Google map hunting, as most of the pictures i have put up are unproven Highfield barrow being the exception, and as the where am i thread is a bit stale, i thought i would mix the two, so here is a little quiz for you,
in this picture there is a know historical site, its listed and has been excavated, But what is it, and better still Can you make it out? come on have a go! o its not in Newton, but its as a demonstration as to what some historical sites look like from the air,
so this has come off Google as is,

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[She]

I dont know the answer and I am really no good at this. However....this is one of the weirdest shapes I have seen on Google Earth in the 40 minutes it has taken me to find something odd.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?t=f&hl=en ... 0,22.837,0

[bob]

interesting site she!, for me that is only some sort of landscaping job, there is a lot of that going on around wigan right now, check out google , but we do know that bronze age dug out log boats have been found around there, plus the romans and the vikings sailed up river when it was much wider, so if you get a marsh capable JCB, you never know what you could find,
here it is next to an old map. and i have magnified the section, but can not pronounce the field name, anyone?

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Bob

[hazel]

Maybe like Daphne.... Marphany ph = f ?

[bob]

I have restored the Google maps thread as it is getting confusing now with 2 other Lost roads and old Lost roads threads,
the next to last post i made on Lost Roads (or was it Roads and Mills?) was about a large ground feature in Winwick,
so i am going to pop it in here as well, slightly modified, as it should really have been the first post in this topic of using Google maps, or Earth, as well as others to identify ground marks, or features.
Bob

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[bob]

Going through some bookmarks or favorites on my confuser, i came across this site i had saved,
it shows some great air shots which can be helpful in comparing something you may find on google,

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/aerial-ar ... eology.htm

oh and has anyone spotted the plowed out roman fort yet, above x2 picture?
Bob

[Podstar66]

I didn't spot it Bob, but looking at the link, I had a trip down memory lane with some of the photos. Wilmington Long Man, Stonehenge, Avebury, Silbury Hill, Uffington White Horse (I found this hard to see from ground level, it just seemed to be a series of chalk pathways), and though I never visited Banbury Hill Fort, I did go to see the Westbury White Horse and Bratton Camp Hill Fort (this was really huge to walk around, especially in the middle of August, when you had just traipsed around looking for other hill forts and looked at other chalk figures, and crop circles!)

Wiltshire is the place to be for all your Tumuli, Barrows, hill forts, chalk figures. It's got the lot, lol )

Pod

[bob]

yes pod, in fact you do not need to go that far, just go down the A6 towards Buxton and derby and you can not miss them,
SO - my point is, they are here well in as many numbers, its just that this area has been devastated by industry, but we need to find them while we still can, which means to me finding a new one by stone henge like they did 2 years ago ( which made the news) is not at all as important as finding one up here in Britain's workshop.
here is a better view of the fort..

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[bob]

The above picture i posed as a quiz is Bawtry Roman Fort near Doncaster, Now why i used this one is because it was only discovered in 1944 by a sharp eyed pilot, this is one of the first identifications of archeology by air, at the time of the Romans that area was boggy, as was our area! and this fort was placed an the highest bit of ground around to guard the river crossing,
But they may not have been the first, as above it is a large circle, maybe this was a bronze age settlement on the same high ground, it is also proof of how a roman fort can be totally obliterated by farming, and how Ariel viewing is fast becoming a major tool in identification.
Bob
link
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=53.427 ... h&hl=en-GB

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[bob]

i came across a picture today that may give some help starting to get into this sort of thing.
Bob

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[bob]

here is yet another picture from the NMR, i can not compare it with a Google shot, but i would say if i could, and i am still trying to find it, it will look nothing like this shot, this would have been taken at a time early in either a spring or autumn morning when from the air at the right angle the ground looks like an xray.
Bob

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